Finish Her!

[Aden Allett]

In before Jack Thompson

So basically two people were babysitting one this guy’s sister only for them to attack her with supposed Mortal Kombat moves. The fact that they relate this to the game seems pretty lame as it could have happened even if they weren’t playing the game.

I don’t see how body slamming, kicking and punching is suddenly Mortal Kombat. Maybe they watch too much wrestling; maybe it has something to do with the fact that the guy was drunk.

Jack Thompson: Let's completely ignore the fact the guy was drunk and put all our effort into the supposed Mortal Kombat moves.

[Martin Tome]

Or we can stop being mad that a game is under blame, and start being upset that a little girl got killed, but that just an idea...

[Felix]

But thats Jack Thompsons guide to being Jack Thompson...

Step 1: Find a media that can be blamed for all of societies downfalls.
Step 2: Become a giant Douche in hopes of gaining support from Parents who don't want to be Parents!
Step 3: ? ? ?
Step 4: Profit

And yes, this is a very biased opinion. I personally grew up and still play violent video games to this day, and I've never acted upon what I've in a game, because, lets face it, its just a simple game to me.

[akira]

Games dont make people violent, 24hour christmas carols do.

But Martin still has some sort of a point, besides no matter how hard they try they are never gonna be able to ban computer games.

[Kyousuke]

A) Who the fuck would have that big nosed son of a bitch and his eyes too wide on either side of her nose bitch a seven year old to watch? It's a golden rule people. You hire one babysitter and ban anyone else from the house and make damn sure you trust them.

B) He claimed he was drunk. Drunk people do have some sort of control over themselves. He made a conscious decision to wrestle with a seven year old that would be crying, screaming, and bruising. The guys a psychopath, put them in a chair and make them extra crispy.

C) "Trujillo and Roberts tried reviving the girl by putting her under running water and attempting CPR before they called her mother and paramedics." They beat her half to death and deciding pouring water and kissing her would make it better. Before they called the fucking paramedics. Did I mention extra crispy?

D) "The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling." That witness should go to jail for five years for negligent homicide. If you have any idea that kind of shit is going on you beat the mother fuckers to death and call the police.

D) Now I don't play mortal combat, but I know more than this douche bag. THERE IS NO WRESTLING MOVES IN MORTAL COMBAT. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm not as half the characters are ninjas.

As you can see I'm pretty pissed of that a seven year old girl died for no reason. Children are my soft spot and this really saddened and angered me.

EDIT: If your first thought was the game accusation you deserve to be punched in the face. Repeatedly.

[Kazuki Akimoto]

kyousuke said:

If your first thought was the game accusation you deserve to be punched in the face. Repeatedly.

1. Chill the fuck out.

2. The new Mortal Kombat games have much more varied styles. It's POSSIBLE that he got the moves from the game, and it's also possible he got them from any other video game--maybe even the WWE. Maybe TNA? Who knows.

Fact is, it's not about the game, this is a thread that's simply going to cause problems because it deals with the death of a child. Hence, the moral nazis on this board will scream for retribution, everyone else will argue it's unfair that video games get the stick for it.

Don't get me wrong, Kyou, your points are all fair and well but next time you feel the inclination to express it, please be a little more cordial about things.

This thread was designed to debate why video games take flak for some people's actions. Not about the individuals themselves. It's fairly obvious that we're unanimously agreed that what they did was appalling and, yes, they should be punished for it.

~Liam

[Aden Allett]

kyousuke said:

A) Who the fuck would have that big nosed son of a bitch and his eyes too wide on either side of her nose bitch a seven year old to watch? It's a golden rule people. You hire one babysitter and ban anyone else from the house and make damn sure you trust them.

B) He claimed he was drunk. Drunk people do have some sort of control over themselves. He made a conscious decision to wrestle with a seven year old that would be crying, screaming, and bruising. The guys a psychopath, put them in a chair and make them extra crispy.

C) "Trujillo and Roberts tried reviving the girl by putting her under running water and attempting CPR before they called her mother and paramedics." They beat her half to death and deciding pouring water and kissing her would make it better. Before they called the fucking paramedics. Did I mention extra crispy?

D) "The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling." That witness should go to jail for five years for negligent homicide. If you have any idea that kind of shit is going on you beat the mother fuckers to death and call the police.

D) Now I don't play mortal combat, but I know more than this douche bag. THERE IS NO WRESTLING MOVES IN MORTAL COMBAT. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm not as half the characters are ninjas.

As you can see I'm pretty pissed of that a seven year old girl died for no reason. Children are my soft spot and this really saddened and angered me.

EDIT: If your first thought was the game accusation you deserve to be punched in the face. Repeatedly.

Note: this is in the order of the paragraphs you posted.

I mostly agree with what you said except for a few points. First, I agree that the girl shouldn’t have invited her boyfriend over to help watch the kid. This is especially true if they decided to start drinking. What makes anyone think that is a good idea is beyond me. If the parents left the child with her sister knowing the boyfriend was there or knowing that he would be coming over is just bad parenting, but I don’t believe it actually states they knew this was going to happen. It makes sense that they would trust their daughter to watch the other, so the responsibility could fall on the parent’s shoulders only if they knew the babysitter was having someone over.

Yes, drunk people can have control over themselves, but the amount of intoxication varies the amount of control one person has. It will always be your fault no matter how much you drink, but that doesn’t mean he deserves to be fried. I agree he needs to go to jail permanently, however. The court has already stated that they won’t be put on the chair anyway. The most they can get seems to be 48 years.

(Disregarding C as I see no problem with it except for the chair comment.)

It all depends on where the witness was, if she called the police, etc. I agree it would have been a good idea to stop grown people form attacking such a small girl, but it all depends on how it looked through their eyes. There are multiple ways it could have been seen and it is hard to judge based on this one witness.

You’re right. There is no wrestling in Mortal Kombat. I could understand if they attempted one of the violent/ gruesome finishing moves then yes, it could be associated, but other than that, he could have picked up his “moves” anywhere.

Note at the EDIT: People are murdered everyday. No, it isn’t a good thing and no, I don’t condone it. I think what has happened is awful and the culprits should be punished, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that this is being directed towards video games for no good reason.

Back onto the mnain topic. As Taiku pointed out, it is possible for many games to have given the man these ideas, but please. Television, movies and the such are equal ways for him to pick these up as well. You cannot just blame video games for everything that goes wrong.

[Kayar]

We've been having an argument recently in health class over the effect of video game violence on people and whether it causes them to become violent. Of course I brashly and strongly defended gaming, but at the same time I know there are very stupid people out there who could get bad ideas from games. However, judging by the fact that this loser in particular was drunk (not to mention he looked like the kind of jerk who's had a bad upbringing and probably is in 50 different city gangs with the rest of his "homies") I doubt if video games were to blame as much as the alcohol and the parents having left the poor girl in charge of these two.

Well, I've said too much already, Liam's right about this thread probably causing some issues amongst the board. But considering it isn't locked yet, I'll go ahead and post this.

[Aden Allett]

kayar said:

We've been having an argument recently in health class over the effect of video game violence on people and whether it causes them to become violent. Of course I brashly and strongly defended gaming, but at the same time I know there are very stupid people out there who could get bad ideas from games. However, judging by the fact that this loser in particular was drunk (not to mention he looked like the kind of jerk who's had a bad upbringing and probably is in 50 different city gangs with the rest of his "homies") I doubt if video games were to blame as much as the alcohol and the parents having left the poor girl in charge of these two.

Well, I've said too much already, Liam's right about this thread probably causing some issues amongst the board. But considering it isn't locked yet, I'll go ahead and post this.

I doubt anyone denies the fact that it is possible to get ideas from games, but it is the fault of those who act upon those ideas.

[akira]

kale said:

I doubt anyone denies the fact that it is possible to get ideas from games, but it is the fault of those who act upon those ideas.

As Chris Rock said "What every happened to just being crazy?"

[Martin Tome]

At least they diddn't rip out her heart and start yelling 'FATALITY!'

Im sorry I said that, I was even on the phone with Dante and he was trying to talk me out of it but I cant resist a bad joke once in a while. Sorry. You can start smiting me.

[akira]

martin said:

At least they diddn't rip out her heart and start yelling 'FATALITY!'

We were talking computer games being linked to violence today, the only way i will be convinced that people use computergames as a grounds for violent activity, is when i see people running around grabbing little people and ripping them open just after killing the dad/mom (Bioshock FTW)

Yeah... my college lecturers have twisted imaginations just like mine, we kinds both came up with that. Although if that happened then i could probably understand the blaming of video games.

[Brad Kavanagh]

Dear god. What the hell is this world coming to? A black kid with a white girlfriend, screaming out "GET OVER HERE!"? This has set the world of video games back five years.

[akira]

after reading the article again i noticed something, the sister (of the dead girl i suppose) has a different last name

[Jazz]

Sweet mother of me! People remember the world that we live in. It is a world of violence. It is a world where people die every day. We hear of kids being shaken to death by sitters and thrown down stairs and plain murder etc. Need i mention anything to do with the current political climate!

However i think that you can be influenced, If only a bit, by games. For example how often do you quote lines from games like this guy did. I know i do. Also you look at other things like films as was mentioned before, do kids not want to go out and buy the toys related to that film?

I know what that says above is not totaly what we are talking about but it dose highlight that people are affected by what the media puts across. Infact, this is a prime example. Dose what we are talking about now not show that eventhough games are not to blame 100 per cent here, the need to debate has come up. This is what i mean by influence.

Peace out dudes, take what you will

[August Velway]

Video games lead to as much violence as a work of art. You want a source of violence? Try football in Europe, or football in the United States. More people get hyped up or angered over a lost game of sports than you'd ever see from an entire play through of Mortal Kombat.

John Thompson's a douche. Just ignore him.

But when I saw the thread's title, I couldn't help but think of another way to "finish [her]," and it's not violent... more like some good ol' lovin'....

[Martin Tome]

velway said:

Video games lead to as much violence as a work of art. You want a source of violence? Try football in Europe, or football in the United States.

Shit, come with me to a soccer game in Mexico, watch for people carrying boxes of fireworks, thats violent.

[Jazz]

Heh try an old firm game here in glasgow. Rangers and Celtic. Now that has to be one of the most violent atmosphers i have ever been involved in. It is however just a handfull of people but still....

[akira]

jazz said:

Heh try an old firm game here in glasgow. Rangers and Celtic. Now that has to be one of the most violent atmosphers i have ever been involved in. It is however just a handfull of people but still....

Whats wrong with football violence?

[Jazz]

Didnt say there was nowt wrong with it, I just said it was violent.