From The Grey Matter Of The Admin (READ!)

[Director Troutman]

leonhart said:

and accurately result with the best fighter of the boards, and therefore the "winning" style.

It's not even a case of the winning style, let alone which is better, it's to see who, in a balanced situation that gives both sides equal footing, would come out on top, who is the best fighter, not just on the boards individually, but as a whole...

[Leon Loire]

On the 552 board, stats act as the primary back up for their fighting. In their fighting threads, they still have to combat through free-form roleplaying styles, the only difference is that their stats back it up.

If for example a well-built, 6'3'' male throws a curved punch toward another well built, 6'3'' male who is defending, the success or failure of the hit is based completely on how the attacker and defender outwit each other. On a stats board, the strike could succcessfully hit, but the defender could argue based on his stamina stat that he's able to practically shrug off the hit, or he could use the high stat of his agility to gracefully block the punch.

In Andrew's situation, therefore, the Moderators would issue a certain amount of points for each side to disperse for themselves, no matter what school they derive from. Then when the round is themed on stats, their choices act as the suppor structure for their arguments, where as in the statless fights they must use their own wit and writing styles to defeat one another.

Some say stats are better because they have that solid base; others say it's worse because it doesn't encourage creative combat tactics. Either way, whomever is the superior style, we'd see it through that equality of rounds. Are stats the key to arguing a victory, or do they only add arguments to a fighter and nothing more? That's what the tournament would discover, and see which style encourages the best fighters overall.

Being a badass Varronite/Hircinian, I'd root for the home team, and personally believe we'd win out overall, but I've read the works of some of 552's elite and will openly note that they're no pushovers by any means. In the end, it all depends on personal preference.

Edit: Hence the quotations there Liam. That's not an important factor, but you know damn well it'll still be there.

[saskai]

I am all for this. Seriously, I would like to finally see just what is better. I seriously have nothing against the 552 and don't care what they or you think about each other. But i would love to see this happen. Also, I know we have eben talkign about what will be going on in this little battle of battles, but I have another question that I do not believe has been answered yet. (If it has, proceed with mocking.)

How will this be technically done. What I mean by this is will they create accounts on our board and vice versa? It seems like that is basicaaly the only way unless there is somethign I am missing. Anyway, It is just a question that I have pondered and would like to have answered.

[Shamino Warhen Ph.D]

I'll fucking rape 552.

[kenshin]

shamino said:

I'll fucking rape 552.

I think...il 2nd that option

[Shamino Warhen Ph.D]

Other than the obvious, if WE were to play in stats, i suggest we use the stats that we select. The ones that'd show out character. If the maximum stat cap is 40, Shamino would be


[Str/Dex/Con/\Wis\Int\Cha]
[20/40/25/\41\40\40]


That's not being bias, or unfair. That's how I can ACTUALY Roleplay my character.

[jellar]

saskai said:

How will this be technically done. What I mean by this is will they create accounts on our board and vice versa? It seems like that is basicaaly the only way unless there is somethign I am missing. Anyway, It is just a question that I have pondered and would like to have answered.

I also pondered this, but I had already come to the conclusion that our Spartan King will settle this in his Spartan ways...

shamino said:

I'll fucking rape 552.

You're part of 552. So technically, you're raping yourself. But still, go for it. I have some RPB1 (even if its former) pride.

[Kyukaku]

I support this with not one, but two thumbs.

And if I don't get to compete, I will pout. I will cry on your shoulder and whine nonstop to your ear Liam. I want in!

But on a more serious note, I think if we COULD work this into storyline it would make things that much better. I always feel if something has more meaning to the overall effect, its more rewarding to do it.

And did anyone else listen to Nick? I agree that we just don't use stats, and they do. Wouldn't that be fine?

[Pain Killer]

kyukaku said:

I support this with not one, but two thumbs.

And if I don't get to compete, I will pout. I will cry on your shoulder and whine nonstop to your ear Liam. I want in!

But on a more serious note, I think if we COULD work this into storyline it would make things that much better. I always feel if something has more meaning to the overall effect, its more rewarding to do it.

And did anyone else listen to Nick? I agree that we just don't use stats, and they do. Wouldn't that be fine?

Well, if you want in, I want in. It's only fair. While that's not my only reason, it's good enough on its own.

And yeah... I don't really know how stats work. From what Leon said, and I'm sure this isn't how he intended it, it sounds like they're just used to provide an excuse to do something you normally couldn't do otherwise. Feel free to correct me, as I really don't know how they work.

[Dain Gavyns]

I'm not gonna bother with quotes.


Now the best (I think Only, but perhaps just best) way of doing this is to make a separate board solely for the event. Sure it takes a little more work, but that way it's an even playing field and not one board is suddenly overloaded with new people.


Now, for stats v. no-stats, Maverik's got it on the head. You'd be amazingly surprised how little difference there really is between the two systems. Cuz, hey, guys, check this out: Either way, YOU'RE STILL RPING.

Whether you just assume what you have as your strengths and weaknesses as in our form, or have a very set idea of what you are strong and weak with in their form, all in all, the way of roleplaying is still damn near the exact same.

I don't see why we'd really need to change things, or they would need to change things, to compete against each other. They'd simply take in our strengths and weaknesses and know what we generally are good and bad at, and we'd look at their stats.

[Shamino Warhen Ph.D]

Stat related combat isn't RP imho. Its who has the bigger numbers can simply say "Kick Shamino in the mouth." and no matter how elaborate my dodge is, I can't do it, because their Dex is higher than mine.

[jellar]

Ryan, I feel that you're being a tad bit too optimistic.

Though the systems are indeed very similar, the differences will more than likely sprout debates on whether certain attacks or maneuvers are legit or not. Depending on how stubborn either sides of the debates are, different levels of hostility may rise as a result.

Well, it seems reasonable if everyone can be a happy person about it and take the event as something fun and not something that has anything of actual worth on stakes.

[Dain Gavyns]

I suppose I just have weird experience from Stat RP sites.


I usually just tended to RP and whatever happened, happened.

I guess Jellar has a point, it all depends on how hardcore the particular RPer sticks to their stats.

[Director Troutman]

Please, Paul, I'm not going to have a flame-war start because of your curtness. I appreciate your opinion and all but you've got to remember that this is also an attempt for us to bridge the gaps between the boards.

In regard to the stats vs. no stats, the matter is not really up for you guys to debate at the moment, because frankly, nobody has the right answer. In due time, both myself and the admins from 552 will come to a mutual agreement on possible methods at which point, they shall be posted for you guys to see. Just because one person here views one of the possibilities for balancing it unfair or unbalanced doesn't necessarily mean that outright it will be. As Ryan said, all in all, it IS JUST BLOODY RPing.

So, I asked for opinions, instead a massive debate starts about stats (as I predicted it would). Can we please just stick to opinions on the matter (without any ideas of how you're going to....violate them =/). I know you guys are more mature than this, so let's keep it that way.

Liam.

[Odin Reeves]

I. Want. In.

I also support Nick's idea, because really it's just leading us down the path of roleplaying the way each side normally does. While my mind has wondered over to the idea of hearing; "You can't do that! My character has max dex -snort-. " I don't feel that'll truly be a problem if experience is put into play.

Either way, I don't really think it matters if stats are used or not. It's still about the wit of the user, and strengths of the character.

EDIT: But I still prefer Nick's idea, simply because I HATE stats.

[Dean]

shamino said:

I'll fucking rape 552.

if i remember correctly you got banned from 552, then re-allowed in and became a pillar.

But i have to say this would be a god idea, and about Mayons question, someone could make a new boards just for this tournament, its not exactly hard cus we would only need 2-3 sections at the most, and the admins from both sites run it.

And i also want in. It would be really cool to fight some of 552's people.

[Zeniro]

I like the idea of cross board tournaments.

Good luck on getting it off the ground.

[king]

Of course, I hear you cry 'But what about the stat/non-stat situation, you handsome admin?', and I say to you, 'Let my awesomeness worry about that for now, just let yourselves be amused by the shiny things in the corner'....

Every post on this board is slowly beginning to sound like me.

I think that's progress.

Also, this contest would have to be statless to make any sense. If we played a stat method, the stats win, not the skill of the player...which is why stats are inferior unless you toss in a variety of spells, weapons, and things along the lines of "greater cleave".

Andrews in particular is bull shit, as not only does it have stated matches, it has more stated matches than none stated matches....so the claim that switching styles is a major disadvantage is being abused, not solved.

One round of each would be fine.

Also, I'm not partcipating, as I will not participate in contests that are not based on skill alone. Find some way to fix that and I'll consider joining.

[Shamino Warhen Ph.D]

dean said:

shamino said:

I'll fucking rape 552.

if i remember correctly you got banned from 552, then re-allowed in and became a pillar.

But i have to say this would be a god idea, and about Mayons question, someone could make a new boards just for this tournament, its not exactly hard cus we would only need 2-3 sections at the most, and the admins from both sites run it.

And i also want in. It would be really cool to fight some of 552's people.

I don't see how this changes the fact i've never lost and have never come close to losing to a 552 member? Celeste, voted the best fighter a ton of times, has turned down every invitation to fight from me with 'heheh...'s

The pillar thing was a joke, if anyone is old enough here to remember Rick Foxx, he became school captain and I said "Make me pillar!!!111" ...and he did.

[Leon Loire]

This will NOT become a goddamn flame war. I repeat: this will NOT become a goddamn flame war!

I keep seeing negative statements being thrown around in a thread that's meant to discuss the board's approval or disapproval of Liam's suggestion and possible cross tournament strategies, not what is superior based on personal logic and bias just to try and bash something.

Shamino, don't even start trying to bring your usual bitter hatreds of 552 into this. Your opinion of them is noted; get over it.

Everyone else, keep to the topic. We cannot make claims of superiority simply based on biased ideas. Keep yourselves legitimate and show that you're not limited by arrogance.

Seriously, this sort of attitude could stop the idea from launching off of its feet before we're even able to begin, so keep cautious of what you say. Relations between the two boards are sketchy; if we want to change that, we need to be respectful and intelligent, not a bunch of cocky jocks, got it?