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Post by Director Troutman on Mar 23, 2007 0:13:57 GMT 1
An idea sprung to me from little whispers in my ears here and there these last few weeks....
A crazy idea, one I'm sure will set off a huge torrent of 'No's and 'Yeah rights', but I urge you, hear me out....We are not the only Xin-based board on LP1, that much is clear to you all. We are also remnants of the FIRST Xin based RP on LP1, now with respect to 552, I think we should be damned proud of that, but it's made me wonder.
In the past some people (who have been dealt with accordingly for their remarks and such) have attempted to preach that our RP style is better than stat-based, that our board is superior in ability to 552. Now, on the flipside to that, I'm sure that at some point or another there are plenty of members on 552 who would equally say that stat-based is far superior to our non-statted format.
The question picking at my immense, studly grey matter is this, kidlings...
Who's actually right? Who has the better style? Wait, let me rephrase that...Who has the better fighters? I intend to speak more in-depth with the administration from 552 on this matter, find out their opinions on this idea before I start getting ahead of myself of course, but it's made me wonder about the prospect of a cross-board tournament, indeed, the prospect of a mutual acknowledgement between the two boards....
Of course, I hear you cry 'But what about the stat/non-stat situation, you handsome admin?', and I say to you, 'Let my awesomeness worry about that for now, just let yourselves be amused by the shiny things in the corner'....
For now, if you have anything to say, I simply want opinions on the idea, nothing more, nothing less. ^^
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Post by Pain Killer on Mar 23, 2007 0:17:46 GMT 1
I likes it. I likes it a lot.
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Post by Leon Loire on Mar 23, 2007 0:19:07 GMT 1
Must I say what I support this? Oh yeah, the others need to see why I'm crazy too. I forgot.
For one, even if the cross-board tournament idea doesn't work out, the possibility of the Stat-based boards and our own finally quelling the constant bickering of personal opinion. The rivalry of the two styles isn't meant to be a show of overwhelming superiority, only a friendly debate between the two sides. Therefore, even if we can't prove who is better, I feel it's time we end the claim that the 552 universe of Xin is completely different from Varron Academy, and therefore I feel that even if we can't fight each other, we should at least be able to transfer to each other's boards if we feel the need.
I'm all for this. So I stand behind you my fearless Spartan King!
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Post by laoch on Mar 23, 2007 0:31:06 GMT 1
Even though I am new and know nothing of this rivalry you speak of, a cross-board tournament sounds like great fun.
Of course this is probably never going to happen in my opinion since it wall take a lot of time, preparation, and understanding between board admins. For instance, what is the physical limits for each board? If one board says that since Xin is based more on fantasy then pulling off Xin's (i think its called Bone Shredding) is highly possible, but the other admin can be set more toward reality. Will take a crap load of work, but I like it. You have all my support for doing this.
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Post by jellar on Mar 23, 2007 0:36:33 GMT 1
Assuming this will have no actual IC/Storyline relevance, I think it sounds like a great and fun idea. Though, don't feel that this will be guaranteed to go through without hard feelings in the end. For example, if one was to debate an attack being valid or not, the mutual feeling of rivalry will naturally pop out and a solution would not be found unless both head admins on both sites agree to be neutral when deciding things for ALL fights.
But, I'm still all for it. I'll follow my Spartan King 'til death, because it is my profession!
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Post by Alkaiser on Mar 23, 2007 0:45:05 GMT 1
Let's just send Shamino over there with the Stats in his Sig. This will be a short affair Actually I like the idea. I think that in all practicality they would have to play on our turf and agree to statless battles instead of us donning attribute sets, but yea it sounds like fun. Good luck with getting it up and running, I look forward to representing! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go over there and start the "our admin can beat up your admin" chant.
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Post by Pain Killer on Mar 23, 2007 0:49:43 GMT 1
On second thought, there's one thing that concerns me. How are we picking who represents Hircine, a vote? And how many are going to be in this tournament?
I lied. Two things, apparently.
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Post by laoch on Mar 23, 2007 1:05:14 GMT 1
Could always have a tournament to see who represents Hircine. . .
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Post by kruzy on Mar 23, 2007 1:13:48 GMT 1
So unless we just have like, 50 characters from each side fighting eachother, with stats v.s. no stats, i think it may be pretty cool having maybe a storyline involved, maybe a MOD or character from each RPB could come over and make a rivalry storyline, like a sporting event with two teams... Hircine High V.s. 552.... or somthing along those lines, to keep some things in order, and it could also make a more wide web based story spreading into different boards...
I have no clue if this made sense, but it kinda did to me at first... so ill sum it up.... a storyline would be cool somhow... ;D
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Post by asd on Mar 23, 2007 1:17:16 GMT 1
Let's just send Shamino over there with the Stats in his Sig. This will be a short affair Actually I like the idea. I think that in all practicality they would have to play on our turf and agree to statless battles instead of us donning attribute sets, but yea it sounds like fun. Good luck with getting it up and running, I look forward to representing! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go over there and start the "our admin can beat up your admin" chant. If 552 has to go by your rules of fighting then you are not seeing who is best period. You are seeing if you can beat them in a way that they are not used to fighting in. That is unless you also go by their rules. My suggestion would be to do it round robin style. Have the admins decide how many stat points to distribute for each side since you don't want them starting with the stats they have from fighting I assume. Then you have everyone distribute said stat points. Once that is done the admins will announce the first round and depending on what they agree upon it will either be stats or statless. Then you switch every round. Example: Round 1 = stats Round 2 = no stats Round 3 = stats This way you see who is the best using both styles of fighting. Thats just my opinion though. *shrugs*
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Post by kruzy on Mar 23, 2007 1:24:36 GMT 1
Let's just send Shamino over there with the Stats in his Sig. This will be a short affair Actually I like the idea. I think that in all practicality they would have to play on our turf and agree to statless battles instead of us donning attribute sets, but yea it sounds like fun. Good luck with getting it up and running, I look forward to representing! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go over there and start the "our admin can beat up your admin" chant. If 552 has to go by your rules of fighting then you are not seeing who is best period. You are seeing if you can beat them in a way that they are not used to fighting in. That is unless you also go by their rules. My suggestion would be to do it round robin style. Have the admins decide how many stat points to distribute for each side since you don't want them starting with the stats they have from fighting I assume. Then you have everyone distribute said stat points. Once that is done the admins will announce the first round and depending on what they agree upon it will either be stats or statless. Then you switch every round. Example: Round 1 = stats Round 2 = no stats Round 3 = stats This way you see who is the best using both styles of fighting. Thats just my opinion though. *shrugs* But if your still doing each type of board figthing, then each side is still rating it THEIR way, so it's just two mis-interpeted fighting styles... unless we either give in and make stats to compare with, or they just well... type and fight...i think our ways a lil easier... just imo
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Post by asd on Mar 23, 2007 1:30:45 GMT 1
OK I am not sure I quite understood what you were saying so if I was off then lemme know. The point of using both stats and non stats would be so that each side has to have a handicap based on the round. And the winner would be decided by both admins (unless one fighter is knocked out or gives up)
So I am sorry if it is really obvious and I am not getting it. I don't understand what you mean when you say both sides will be rating it their way.
And just a note it isn't about what is easier. I mean in my own preference I prefer no stats. I just think that mixing it up between the two is the most fair way of doing this.
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Post by Maverik on Mar 23, 2007 1:30:52 GMT 1
I'm all for this. I'd love to go toe to toe with a 552er. As for how to determin? We fight like we got no stats, keeping to the same restrictions we always have for our characters, they fight like we have stats that represent our characters atributes.
Easy really...
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Post by dante on Mar 23, 2007 1:50:44 GMT 1
This sounds very... interesting. This is definetely something I support all the way and will try to help if I can in anyway at all.
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Post by Director Troutman on Mar 23, 2007 1:58:27 GMT 1
Let's just send Shamino over there with the Stats in his Sig. This will be a short affair Actually I like the idea. I think that in all practicality they would have to play on our turf and agree to statless battles instead of us donning attribute sets, but yea it sounds like fun. Good luck with getting it up and running, I look forward to representing! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go over there and start the "our admin can beat up your admin" chant. That, Al, is really not in your best interests. We're trying to play nice here, not expand the rift. Please, I know that for the most part any remarks are just in good humour and the like, with no offence meant, but remember that others might not take it as so....Just keep that to mind guys.
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Post by Leon Loire on Mar 23, 2007 2:31:55 GMT 1
OK I am not sure I quite understood what you were saying so if I was off then lemme know. The point of using both stats and non stats would be so that each side has to have a handicap based on the round. And the winner would be decided by both admins (unless one fighter is knocked out or gives up) So I am sorry if it is really obvious and I am not getting it. I don't understand what you mean when you say both sides will be rating it their way. And just a note it isn't about what is easier. I mean in my own preference I prefer no stats. I just think that mixing it up between the two is the most fair way of doing this. I've got to side with Andrew on this. We will not side with our own style because "it seems easier" according to a biased member of the board that uses it. Besides, Kruzy's logic will reside either way, even more if we keep to one style the entire time. The threat of bias from a guest Moderator from either side will always result, as a 552 Moderator overseeing statless combat could prefer his own fighters if they are not equally represented. Personally, I find Andrew's idea very impressive and very useful as a possible method. If we were to go with a style for the tournament, we could use his method as a means to keep things equal and well-mooded. And on a side note: Andrew, you did a fine job with that, kudos to you.
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Post by jellar on Mar 23, 2007 2:43:28 GMT 1
Andrew's method does not necessarily answer the question of "Who are the better fighters" though. If each method of fighting requires one fighter to adjust to the style, then obviously the adjusting fighter has a disadvantage. Unless there is a major skew in which all of the fights of one board wins in contrast to fights being won according to the style being used in the fight, there will be no answer to the question raised by our Spartan King.
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Post by kruzy on Mar 23, 2007 2:59:43 GMT 1
Andrew's method does not necessarily answer the question of "Who are the better fighters" though. If each method of fighting requires one fighter to adjust to the style, then obviously the adjusting fighter has a disadvantage. Unless there is a major skew in which all of the fights of one board wins in contrast to fights being won according to the style being used in the fight, there will be no answer to the question raised by our Spartan King. My speech sucks today... But this is what i was basically trying to say.
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Post by Leon Loire on Mar 23, 2007 3:07:10 GMT 1
Quite the contrary. As those who cannot adjust are defeated by their opponent, those who can adjust and stand an equal chance will then be able to continue onward. Therefore resulting in the truly best fighters of each side continuing onward to the semi-finals. If we only had one style, then those who are the clear masters would have a skewed advantage no matter what, and even the best fighters from the opposing style would be overwhelmed by the surviving opposition. If you have an equal number of both styles, then it'll encourage fighters that can implement both styles effectively to reach the finals, and accurately result with the best fighter of the boards, and therefore the "winning" style.
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Post by kruzy on Mar 23, 2007 3:10:53 GMT 1
Quite the contrary. As those who cannot adjust are defeated by their opponent, those who can adjust and stand an equal chance will then be able to continue onward. Therefore resulting in the truly best fighters of each side continuing onward to the semi-finals. If we only had one style, then those who are the clear masters would have a skewed advantage no matter what, and even the best fighters from the opposing style would be overwhelmed by the surviving opposition. If you have an equal number of both styles, then it'll encourage fighters that can implement both styles effectively to reach the finals, and accurately result with the best fighter of the boards, and therefore the "winning" style. soo, wouldn't that mean we'd have to make up stats for our characters as well to even the playing feild? It's easy enough for them to post as we do, but how do they measure who wins by stats? Im just confused on how THEY rate the winner is all.
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