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Post by Auroth on Oct 15, 2007 3:02:50 GMT 1
Really though? Why should I care about what other people do in their lives?
It's their lives! Not mine.
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Post by victor on Oct 15, 2007 3:07:11 GMT 1
True, it's their life, not yours, but we ought to take the consequences into account. Maybe I'm like this because before I broke up with my long distance girlfriend, I tried to help her out of a dangerous situation and I had to go to an EXTREME measure to get her out of it. I'm not saying you should try to change people Auroth. I'm just saying people should consider the consequences of such technology and take steps in themselves to ensure that these consequences do not occur.
Like before, people do tend to become overly dependent on technology that brings pleasure (look at how much we spend on the computer looking at Youtube clips). If we become overly dependent on robots for sex, will that impair our abilities to function in society? Anything is possible. You don't need drugs or alcohol to get an addiction. You must admit this is partially true.
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Post by Odin Reeves on Oct 15, 2007 3:18:07 GMT 1
I don't have to admit anything, especially when it comes to addictions.
Now, I'm off to eat Pop Rocks and drink a Cola.
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Post by Auroth on Oct 15, 2007 3:21:10 GMT 1
True, it's their life, not yours, but we ought to take the consequences into account. Maybe I'm like this because before I broke up with my long distance girlfriend, I tried to help her out of a dangerous situation and I had to go to an EXTREME measure to get her out of it. I'm not saying you should try to change people Auroth. I'm just saying people should consider the consequences of such technology and take steps in themselves to ensure that these consequences do not occur. Like before, people do tend to become overly dependent on technology that brings pleasure (look at how much we spend on the computer looking at Youtube clips). If we become overly dependent on robots for sex, will that impair our abilities to function in society? Anything is possible. You don't need drugs or alcohol to get an addiction. You must admit this is partially true. I admit that's true.... But... So what? It's not like Addiction to Masturbation impairs our involvement in society (and if you think about it, sex with a Robot is like elaborate masturbation). But really, the only change in our society is that we'll have robots running around... Which will lead to far worst things than just robot sex... *ROBO OVERLORDS!!!* As for you Odin.... Can I have your exploded spleen? *Makes a smiley face*
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Post by Odin Reeves on Oct 15, 2007 3:36:20 GMT 1
Sure, what are friends for except giving away exploded pieces of their body.
Anyone want by pancreases?
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Post by Auroth on Oct 15, 2007 3:40:44 GMT 1
I know someone who does!!!
^_~
*He's in line for a new one*
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Post by Leon Loire on Oct 15, 2007 3:53:03 GMT 1
I wouldn't even come close to calling Auroth's view "selfish apathy," I would call that liberty.
In my opinion, this issue is not going to lead towards a dependence on technology anymore than any other bit of technology has. And personally, I do not think that technology is the direct reason for America becoming "fatter, lazier, and less independent." When you think about it, those who live in Europe, Canada, Australia, and Asia are all just as capable to gain these products and technological advances, yet their citizens are still fit, are still hard workers, and are still independent of their technologies. I think the reason America has changed so dramatically has to do with something else entirely.
But I'm not going to say what, since that has nothing to do with the current topic, and it'd just lead me to bashing those who hold an opposing view to me...
But to say the least, I'm definitely with Auroth on this one. If a citizen wants to have sex with a robot, let them, and it won't bother me anymore than them sleeping with a prostitute; if they wish to fall in love with an A.I., I won't blame them, considering I believe it's just as possible to fall in love with an artificial personality as much as a human one. After all, if you can find feelings for someone you're simply sharing text with, why can't you fall in love with something that isn't made of flesh and blood? And then, if you wish to marry them, that ought to be your right as well; if morality wishes to impede on that, then they intend to take away someone's God given liberty, and that is something I won't stand for.
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Post by Auroth on Oct 15, 2007 3:58:09 GMT 1
Amen Leon.
It's good to know we have the same views on life ^_^
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Post by victor on Oct 15, 2007 4:46:19 GMT 1
Well, I guess I can't argue with that. Perhaps by then, humans will be smart enough not to abuse technology. At least I HOPE they will...
Oh yeah, Auroth? I apologize. Sorry.
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Post by artemis on Oct 15, 2007 5:34:57 GMT 1
I tend to lead my life as open minded as I possibly can. If you look at history and all the wars and arguments and deaths that have happened because people were close minded and set in their believes , you start to see the mistake of being stuck in your values.
Not to say that I don’t have my own opinions and values, but I am constantly open and accepting toward change. The issue in my head, at least if this were to occur in five years, is is it possible to create a robot so lifelike that they feel human to you?
When I think of what I enjoy out of a relationship, I think of connecting with a person and learning and being companions to one another. To me its not about how compatible I am and whether I can have sex with them and live with them, its more a since of completion and companionship. When does AI become, so advanced that you can make a connection like this and have it feel real?
It may eventually get there, but I have a feeling that there is a real difference between feigning all the intricacies of human emotion, and actually having the genuine article. As such I don’t think that it will become popular with the mainstream for a very long time, because for most people having a relationship with a robot to that point would simply seem hollow, it would just be a self-delusion.
Again technology may one day get to genuine, but I don’t know part of me doubts it. What I really think we have stumbled on here though is the next great issue. In the past society have had trouble with racism and sexism and sexual orientation. It has taken an entire generation for each of these issues to be resolved once they were at the forefront of societies eye. This issue is quiet possible the next generation’s issue to deal with, just as we have been dealing with same sex marriage and homosexuality in general.
That is why I think that you get some people writing extremely negative responses because society is just not quite ready to deal with it yet. If you look at things like the civil rights movement, before it was successful you had the people who agreed but were a little unsure, and then you had a large group who simply considered it wrong and a small minority who see it as truly right. This is the kind of representation that will present itself in this discussion.
The only reason we haven’t had a positive response to robot marriage is because no one wants to put there opinion out there and look like a freak, it is an unpopular opinion and no one wants to be seen in that light.
Now I am not entirely for nor am I entirely against this issue, I simply think it is too early for society to decide.
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Post by Kyukaku on Oct 15, 2007 6:54:54 GMT 1
Just so everyone knows, I haven't read a single post in here yet. I was about to go to bed until I saw this thread, and until I can expand upon my thoughts and everyone elses tomorrow, I'll just say this:
Awesome.
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Post by Shamino Warhen Ph.D on Oct 15, 2007 7:02:06 GMT 1
If Ghost in the Shell taught me anything, sexaroids kill.
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Post by victor on Oct 15, 2007 7:16:57 GMT 1
When you say "kill", Shamino-san, do you mean kill as in "they rock" or "they literally kill"? Yeah, I'm probably stupid for not understanding that slang, but it's late, I'm tired, and I'm not thinking straight, CUT ME A F***ING BREAK!!!
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Post by Shamino Warhen Ph.D on Oct 15, 2007 7:18:19 GMT 1
When you say "kill", Shamino-san, do you mean kill as in "they rock" or "they literally kill"? Yeah, I'm probably stupid for not understanding that slang, but it's late, I'm tired, and I'm not thinking straight, CUT ME A F***ING BREAK!!! SIT DOWN. SHUT THE HELL UP. NEVER SWEAR AT ME AGAIN. WATCH GHOST IN THE SHELL 2: INNOCENCE AND GET BACK TO ME ALSO, CAPSLOCK LIKE THE FIST OF THE MOTHER FUCKING NORTH STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by victor on Oct 15, 2007 7:38:47 GMT 1
Woah... Sorry Shamino-san, I was just joking around, heh! Can't you take a joke? Didn't mean to offend yas!
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Post by Felix on Oct 15, 2007 10:06:59 GMT 1
I love how everyone on here is completely against it in a literal sense. But think about if someone put a spin on this. Marriage to robots, as a LEARNING tool. How to cope with someone elses needs and wants on a daily basis. Whats the percent that first time marriages fail, and in INCREASES each marriage after the first divorce. If they market this as a learning device, something to cope with, with actual automated needs and wants, then this could be a great thing. I guess a lot of you are just ignorant. But thats okay. As for if I could see myself getting hitched to one. Yea, I could. I'll be the first to admit it, I'm no Fabio, and I'm rather quiet/shy myself, though in a brooding about sh!t but never does sh!t kinda way. If I could get married no strings attached, I'd be living for one, with something that I could fool myself into caring wholeheartedly about, without having to worry about my significant others feelings about me. Plus, if it doesn't work out, the b!^ch don't get half my sh!t!
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Post by Aden Allett on Oct 15, 2007 11:36:04 GMT 1
So you are basically saying that now, before we find someone that we "love" and get married, we should learn how to have a proper marriage? Isn't that like all those books and movies on having a better marriage that sell millions, but don't really help anyone? if I am going to get married, it isn't going to be how to learn how to have a bettr marriage. It would make my true marriage feel to much like an act.
I would just like to note that I would never marry a robot, cyborg, or an android. While I would personally never us eone, it is more of a sex toy then anything else and should probably not be given a mind to begin with. Although, I am sure some people disagree. The religions would also have a fit making it such a big deal i see no reason to get something started. Artificial Intelligence in robots is dangerous. Every robot movie has told me that.
Just as Shamino referred to Ghost in the Shell 2, what if that actually happened in the future? I'm not going to take that chance so I am never going to include myseld with robots.
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Post by Valencia Donahue on Oct 15, 2007 12:11:40 GMT 1
Cyborgs are technically cybernetic organisms, consisting of organic and synthetic parts.
So in example, if your girlfriend loses an arm in an accident and she gets a robotic arm, in definition, she became a cyborg. We already have lots of cyborgs out there, but they aren't classified as such because it "just ain't right".
::coughs:: Even Edward Elric is a cyborg by definition.
So to get the definitions straight, at least from what I know:
Robot: All machine, but used encompassingly because it's sometimes interchangeable with the term "android". Android: Completely artificial, but looks like a living being (ex: human). Cyborg: Half machine, half living being.
Overall, to me people can do as they please as long as they don't impede upon my own values. I'm friends with lots of homosexuals, religious folks, and other loonies, so I'm fine with them as long as they don't try to convert me. I think anyone can relate on that level.
But I am still probably going to have a hard time taking this in with love concerned. It's easy to fall into long-distance relationships because you know that someone alive and human is typing them up on the other end. Falling in love with something programmed is like taking (borderline obsessive) fangirl/boy-ing to another level with a dating sim.
Probably pretty darned convincing, but it just isn't the same once you think about it unless something gets figured out... And that's only when you figure out that the "person" typing to you on the other end is an AI'd program... And when you begin comparing that situation to those awkward times when your friend reveals to you that he has a 6th toe on his foot or that your friend of the same gender has affectionate interest in you. It takes some digesting until acceptance of some kind is reached. Maybe the folks who love robots on the affectionate level simply digested things earlier than the rest.
xx; <--- can't read enough sci-fi shojo-stuff to toss into the mix
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Post by Pain Killer on Oct 15, 2007 16:51:17 GMT 1
Thumbs up to Leon and Auroth, who pretty much seem to have brought up the points I was going to, except for one thing.
The one thing I have a slight problem with is the marriage thing. Not the actual union per se, but rather the fact that people often demand to have the church that condemns such a union recognize/perform that union. I mean, here is a perfectly "good" religion that's been around for centuries, and suddenly, people want the church to change its values just for them? That's ridiculous.
Honestly, if your views contradict those of your current religion, stop being part of that religion. I'm pretty apathetic when it comes to people marrying robots, as to me, it's no different from marrying a human shaped toaster. Really, robots aren't living until they're able to reproduce and maintain themselves on their own, without human assistance.
As long as whatever church it is agrees with the marriage, I don't see a problem with going through with it. If they don't agree, there should be another type of marriage that isn't faith based.
Note: If anyone's actually curious, I'm not a part of any organized religion, myself. Worship begins at home, or however that saying goes.
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Post by Darren Blayne on Oct 15, 2007 19:08:10 GMT 1
Woah... Sorry Shamino-san, I was just joking around, heh! Can't you take a joke? Didn't mean to offend yas! .... why are you repeatedly calling him 'Shamino-san'?
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