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Post by Leon Loire on Oct 13, 2007 21:49:04 GMT 1
Credit given to the good Admin of Mugen Hall, Dr. Xing, for linking this to me in mid-conversation. Sex and Marriage with robots? An MSNBC article.Go ahead and read the article, since I'd imagine anyone would be interested to read one with that kind of title. But I'll say right now: I hope to sleep with a smart girl, but I think an A.I. sexbot would be a bit too much for me. I'll stick to the real thing, with real brain matter... among other things. But yes, go ahead and read and discuss, I want to see everyone's thoughts on an issue that will make Christians piss their pants in 2050... (You thought Gay marriage was bad, wait til your kid's trying to marry his literal secret in the closet!)
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Post by Li on Oct 14, 2007 0:11:47 GMT 1
I would stick to people as well. Too perfect entities kinda freak me out.
Would I let my kid do it? Probably not either. He'll hate me for it, but I feel that love is something that requires effort and a marriage is only one of many steps in love. A robot seems too much like the easy way out.
Wait till you get to the point where robots become autonomous and then there's a different story. Though, I get the feeling the population growth may drop a significant amount.
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Post by Auroth on Oct 14, 2007 3:07:04 GMT 1
ROBO FUCK!
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Post by Valencia Donahue on Oct 14, 2007 3:15:50 GMT 1
; ... ::blinks and stares at Auroth:: But anyways, with all the issues they outlined in mind, especially the sketchy ones about pedophiles and prostitution, I'm probably not going to take this as easily as same-sex marriages and the like. ::coughs:: Then... I think there's that risk for electrocution in unpleasant places, too... With machines heating up, sparking, and all that other stuff... (Who else thought about Chobits...?)
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Post by kai on Oct 14, 2007 3:19:22 GMT 1
Especially if one spills a drink while in the act with their mechanical "partner". I hear robots like their man-meat baked, but fried is a close second.
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Post by Martin Tome on Oct 14, 2007 4:18:57 GMT 1
I think that makes my opinion clear. I wouldn't have sex with these things, I don't care how well and clever they make them, they would be too perfect, and too lifeless. This is in general a little creepy, I mean, would you put your penis into this?: Don't answer that Auroth. But I agree with Kai, we would all be walking around with 'cooked' sausages. Also, 1,000 things can go wrong at one time with a robot. Also my paranoia with robot over lords keeps me in check. Seriously though, as I said, 1,000 things can go wrong. Soon serious damage could happen and the government will have to cut them off and keep them away from the public. This could cause an outrage to the millions of lonely, shy, nerdy, or just plain unattractive, guys in American or even in the world. We would get people smuggling them in, people making their own and blowing off their own dicks in the proses, or worse, it becomes an addiction like a drug to get one and people start to kill and fight for them. On the other hand... I just thought of something, if this all happens, one of the most well paying jobs ever could become a reality: Robot Pimps! Quickly Auroth to the pimp-mo-copter i have an idea.
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Post by victor on Oct 14, 2007 4:20:12 GMT 1
Auroth: No, dude. Just no. Unless you have a girlfriend or are married, stick to self pleasure... The idea of sticking a robot is just, ick...
This is just WAY too frightening for me. The idea that humans will be marrying robots? Man... completely scary. If robots could be made to resemble and act that human, then I can already see the consequences on the horizon. DIRE consequences. No, I don't mean the "robots get smart and take over the world" scenario. I mean the "humans continue to create greater and greater technology and eventually ruin themselves" scenario, or something similar.
You must admit this holds SOME water. If we create sex-bots and they're successful, eventually more and more people will want them, most likely starting with the losers, nerds, and lonely types. And once that happens, more and more people will want them. With that taken care of, people might start comparing their models, saying theirs are better than some other persons, leading to the same old conflict between "cool and uncool" guys and girls again. Now suppose they can't simply "change" the appearance on a robot and you can only get a new one. Because the majority of people-especially the teenagers-desperately desire happiness (yes, I make an indirect quote from Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451), they will continue to purchase models in an attempt to outdo each other. It would be a never ending cycle of people once again trying to top each other all for the thrill of sex.
Now on the subject of prostitution and pedophilia. It's possible that prostitutes may be freed/put out of business and pedophiles may stop molesting children (for the record, the majority of pedophiles actually go after young girls, not boys despite popular belief), but at what price? Most prostitutes aren't there because they want to be. Most of them are doing what they do because of drug addiction, being enslaved by mobsters/human traffickers, or both. And suppose the pimps and the mob chose to cash in on the robots? Chances are they would kill every one of their whores and any children they had (if any) to keep them from talking, so by using the robots as electronic prostitutes, many innocent lives would be lost. Then again, in the words of the pimps and the mob, who's gonna care about a bunch of whores?
Pedophiles don't score many points either. True, he/she could just get a robot child, but there are... certain things you can only do to a human body (particularly when it comes to mobility). And what if the pedophile also happens to be a sadist as well who can only achieve sexual satisfaction through torture/killing? I doubt scientists will have developed a way for robots to feel pain, even by that time, and if they did, I doubt they would put it in a robot if they knew the buyer was a sadistic pedophile (I'm sure they would do tests to determine what kind of person the buyer is before letting the person make a purchase in the future). If the robot cannot respond to pain, the pedophile would grow disinterested and seek out a human child.
And what happens when people become too dependent on these sex-bots? Will we become addicts to these feelings? There is no guarantee we will not. There have been too many cautionary tales warning us about the dangers of advanced technology. Even more dangerous is the thought in your head that says "Well, it's not going to happen to me!" Because the truth is, it COULD! It could happen to me! Just because I haven't done drugs or alcohol and am still a virgin doesn't mean I haven't had my share of addictions.
There are many more consequences of this article, but I won't go into them. Think about them. Simply put, I believe this is a boundary that man was not meant to cross. This. Should. Not. Happen. I HIGHLY support same sex marriage, but we'll just have to keep fighting for them for the time being. I see how a robot could solve that, but... well, I've told you. Think about it.
And if I want to feel pleasure, I'll find a human partner, thank you very much! Sadly, I am still single...
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Post by Kayar on Oct 14, 2007 18:12:48 GMT 1
OH GOD... No... please... no...
As a resident of Massachusettes, I have to say, we do NOT need anymore crap like this. Besides, I'd rather have a flesh and blood chick rather than... *shiver*
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Post by Valencia Donahue on Oct 14, 2007 19:01:33 GMT 1
In response to Martin, I think the robots of the future that most people have in mind aren't completely chrome-y and cold (and hard). If anything, they're probably thinking along the lines of if android-like robots were less robo and more human. Y'know, like animatronics that're more realistic. I'd still have trouble accepting the idea of marriage and sex though... After seeing so many sci-fi movies and reading books by Isaac Asimov, in the end and in spite of it all... Robots still aren't quite alive. It's like marrying a laptop or some other programable piece of technology. (And in my opinion, Victor did bring up some interesting points. If they plan on applying Isaac Asimov's "3 Laws of Robotics", I definitely can't see the problem people getting fixed any time soon.)
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Post by zeke on Oct 14, 2007 19:12:32 GMT 1
... (looks at the article in the first post)
...No. Under no circumstances. NO.
Although I have never had sex, It doesn't take experience to know it just would NOT be the same at all. No matter how much you perfect them, even CONSIDERING robots for the sole purpose of sex is, in my opinion, quite frankly insane.
And as for marriage with them, why would we think about MARRIGE to robots before we think about robots possibly being legal CITIZENS? Otherwise, there would be a ton of problems with marriage with them. And also, just try to picture the frickin' CEREMONY...
Furthermore, I think this is a perfect example of development for the sake of development. I see no point in it, and it just seems to me like an idea that's amusing to think about for a second or two.
Back to sex, suppose that does happen. In order for it not to be completely creepy, the robots would have to look and behave almost EXACTLY like humans. This would make it incredibly easy to start some kind of sex slavery ring, because it would become hard to tell the difference. This is something I would like to NEVER happen.
...That's my take on it.
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Post by Director Troutman on Oct 14, 2007 19:47:15 GMT 1
My only point is how everyone is devolving this discussion to intimacy with a robot when the question posed is about MARRIAGE.
I think the general perversions of Hircine are beginning to show themselves, after all, you're all so quick to say you wouldn't despite nobody actually suggesting you would....
On the topic, if it looks like a woman, feels like a woman, acts like a woman, hell, smells like a woman, but you have to plug it in for six hours a night? It ain't woman.
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Post by traytaine on Oct 14, 2007 20:04:10 GMT 1
... Since no one has looked at this at quite the right angle then I'll put a bit more logic in here. Marriage to a robot won't happen. They'll be property or slaves, but only a .001 percentile will be delusional enough to love a set response robot. And an A.I. that learns should probably frighten you. Not because of dooms-day. But because it would become the very definition of slavery, or the creation of a new race. Both frighten me personally.
Now, as for sex with a robot, it will happen. Maybe it already has, who knows. But if you want proof, it's very simple. They already sell blow up sex dolls and sex pillows. Which are more popular in non-Christian society's. (Note: This is historical, moral shifts, and general opinion of taboo's.) Which is why we don't have them as prominently here. Japan and a few other countries however, already have gone down this route.
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Post by Leon Loire on Oct 14, 2007 20:39:51 GMT 1
I'm just loving it how alot of people in this thread are treating it as if the discussion would lead to the end of the world. Seriously guys, relax; the issue is far from that bad. It's a controversial issue, yes, but all these "absolutely NOT!" replies are just a bunch of melodramatic emotions driving your logic.
Yes, marriage to a robot would be odd for many of us, and likely would not happen as a streamlined event for the majority of humankind. However, the same could be said for homosexual relationships. The gay community is a minority in the world, yet there are still strong debates on allowing them to marry or not, mostly surrounding the "morality" of the issue concerning religion. Now, stand where you may on the gay marriage factor, as I've heard all kinds of opinions regarding it from all sides of every spectrum, but robots and humans marrying could be paralleled in that sense. Thus, while it's clear many of us will likely never reach the point of marrying a robot, that does not stop the fact that there are people who will. And if you don't think it's possible to fall in love with an A.I., you're forgetting that, in the future, the only real difference between the human mind and a robotic mind will be flesh and circuitry.
Now, in my opinion, it's far more likely that "sexbots" will come into existence and become a parallel to prostitutes. So while most of us will likely never sleep with a prostitute, that also goes for the robots.
But that still does not answer if it will actually occur as the article debates. Will robots be that intelligent and that human like within five years? Will we soon come to see robots for sale in markets, or selling themselves on street corners? Will we soon see a pair of an owner and his robot waiting in line, or even protesting with, other abstract couples in Massachusetts in five years?
I think we will. This is a rapidly growing world after all, and we live in a global society that encourages diversity, tolerance and freedom. So I can definitely see that we'll soon be speaking, working, and perhaps even loving robots and A.I. in the near future. Of course, soon enough we'll also see fundamentalists combating such a life style, but that's just natural.
Now, let's see if we can take this argument away from sleeping and marrying a robot onto a more advanced topic: could you see yourself falling in love with an Artificial Intelligence? If you could imagine A.I. becoming as advanced as Cortana from the Halo series, could you see yourself loving that machine?
I'm not so certain myself, but I'd like to see what everyone else thinks.
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Post by victor on Oct 14, 2007 21:14:32 GMT 1
True Leon, but it's not that this will directly lead to the end of the world. It's that humans tend to become very dependent on technology when it eases their problems and when that happens, they become more apathetic and lazy. Look at America in the forties and fifties when TV only had a few channels, computers did not exist in American households, and the video game was still at least thirty years into the future. People didn't have the technology they did then, but because of it, they had to work harder and they stayed in shape (people weren't so fat back then in America I should add). Not to mention people were much closer to each other, American schools didn't have so many behavioral problems (and when they did, they weren't as serious as they are now), and things were just generally better off then (even if people were ignorant of other cultures and racism was prevalent). True, there are many other contributing factors, but one very important factor was lack of advanced technology such as the kind we have now. Because people had to do things the old fashioned way-at work and at home-they were closer and could interact better.
Nowadays, look at us! I mean, sure life is a lot easier because of things like the computer, the TV, factory robots, modern machines, etc., but look at the result. We've become very dependent on them. We've grown fatter (America is considered the fattest country, do not forget that), more apathetic, and we tend to lust after money and the next new product of interest. Not to mention all the pleasures we have tend to make us more distant from our families, even if they do make us closer to our friends. I mean, how many of us have argued with our parents over stuff we wanted to do with our friends when it cut into a family thing or something similar to that? People-especially teenagers-have gotten especially withdrawn due to modern pleasures such as video games and TV today. And what is the world going to be like when these withdrawn teenagers become adults and begin to run the world? What then? Will they seek help or not?
But I'm getting off subject. The point is, humans may get too dependent on robots for their own good. Like I said before, people tend to drift toward modern technology when it makes them happy too much, and what makes most people happier than sex? If this variety of robot is successful and people become too dependent on it, can you see the consequences? I can. I won't go into them Leon. I think you can describe them better than I can.
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Post by Darren Blayne on Oct 14, 2007 21:57:13 GMT 1
I fucking HATE robots.
End of story. End of discussion.
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Post by Odin Reeves on Oct 14, 2007 22:23:59 GMT 1
So, he fucking hates robots, but does he 'hate fucking robots?'
Darren's in denial. He's obviously going to be the first one to purchase such a device.
Oh, and as for robots actually being a sex toy sort of thing, they basically already have those. Dildo's and Fleshlights are what they are known as, only in this case they'd have a computer controlling them beyond the function of vibrate.
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Post by Valencia Donahue on Oct 14, 2007 23:40:45 GMT 1
Will robots be that intelligent and that human like within five years?:
Maybe not five years. Within our lifetime? Pretty darned inevitable. We already got pretty close movement-wise and sense perception-wise. Emotions at this point are basically traits with certain characteristics. Programmable and not much different from virtual critters that “feel” like this or that. I thought it was painfully obvious, but mreh. If you insisted on a straightforward answer…
Will we soon come to see robots for sale in markets, or selling themselves on street corners?:
On sale, eventually. Selling themselves, if they’re programmed to. From this point on, however, I’m using “programmed” loosely. If they’re programmed to be artificial intelligences, that’s how it is. Ever since people figured out how to make robots say “maybe” instead of “yes” and “no”, who knows anymore.
Will we soon see a pair of an owner and his robot waiting in line, or even protesting with, other abstract couples in Massachusetts in five years?:
There’s a high possibility of this happening if there’re still closed minds out there. No need for elaboration.
Could you see yourself falling in love with an Artificial Intelligence?:
A really difficult question. It’s extremely possible to fall in love with nonexistent people and it’s probably much easier to love something that exists and can respond. If I fell in love with an android without knowing that the robot is a robot in advance, there you go. It happens. I can fall in love with a robot. Ho-hah. But once I do find out that the android I fell in love with isn’t human? Long story short, I’m going to have some rough times thinking about how love works. It's all back to thinking about how the thing you fell in love with is a thing and may even outlive you.
...Unless you program it, but I'm sure that controlling everything gets boring and lame after a while. Love is supposed to be special and to me, it'd be pretty weird if there's no one special out there 'cept for data of my choosing.
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Post by Auroth on Oct 15, 2007 2:37:03 GMT 1
To be clear Martin...... Depends on how hot the robot is and how acceptable society deems it >.>
But anyways, I believe let people do whatever they fuck they want with robots.
Ain't our place to tell them they can't.
And if things go wrong... Pfft! They knew the risks -.-
But that's besides that point. What I'm saying is let these guys have robo sex. Hell if I care really. It isn't my place to go into their personal lives and tell they can and cannot have sex with. It, like having more gays, just means more chicks in the pool for me!
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Post by rougestar21 on Oct 15, 2007 2:48:41 GMT 1
Like I learned from Futurama in "I Dated A Robot",
Bender: You got metal fever boy! Metal fever!
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Post by victor on Oct 15, 2007 2:48:58 GMT 1
Auroth, it's that kind of selfish apathy that is sending us downhill as it is...
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