August Velway
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Post by August Velway on Jun 26, 2007 3:02:49 GMT 1
I know this is more of a question than a suggestion for change, but there's something I need to request for my own sake, and perhaps for a few others around here.
I'll get straight to the point: I'd like to start a Gang. As you can see, if I had the 500 posts that are expected in the Gang Rules, I wouldn't be requesting permission, but since I only have 12 posts up, you can see I'm in a bit of a problem.
I'd like to start a Gang of my own for two reasons: one, to create a group that is actually following the ideas of a realistic "Gang," and two, to create a new group that people that fit its attributes can join, considering the board's current storylines do not have many opportunities for rogues and outlaws like August can be. Hence, since I'm not even at 50 posts yet, I'd like to be available to beginning my gang whenever my character's own plot permits it, 500 posts or less.
I know this is asking a lot, but I'm not asking to be an exception anymore than I am asking for the Staff to abolish the rule that a Gang Leader requires 500 posts to begin a Gang in the first place. I understand that it's to avoid having bad gangs started, but since I've seen no gangs started outside of the old board, I thought having my own gang started now could help motivate other gangs to follow me in.
I am willing to tell any Staff member the details of my plans for the Gang, but prefer to be giving a request for the information first, and then afterward, in PM. I'd like to keep this group a secret only to myself and a few others before I finalize anything in stone.
I hope you agree with my request, and hopefully you'll have a new band running amok in Hircine High, adding a bit of spice to the classic "Good and Evil" struggle. After all, someone has to play out the Grey fog in things; might as well be my little Gang, eh?
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Post by king on Jun 26, 2007 14:34:04 GMT 1
We've suggested reforming gangs rules, but there hasn't been much action on it I believe.
Also, I'm not actually in supoort on an exception, as your post clearly indicates your not much aware of the current storyline and the several factions that are currently in the works that rogues could easily join. You don't have many posts, so this is expected, but that is one of the reasons a post limit is there.
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Post by Kira Karyuudo, Hikari on Jun 26, 2007 19:06:47 GMT 1
However, lowering the post count for gangs would more than likely increase the activity on the board (especially if we can get this done either today or sometime this week), so we can put it up on the RPB Tuesdays information.
Of course, we still need proof people are going to stick around.
~150 solid posts as a general rule. (With a good IC cause to start the gang (even if they're working towards that cause))
~50-75 solid posts if they're exceptionally well-done. (Rewards for good posting has it's perks, ya know) (With a good IC cause to start the gang (even if they're working towards that cause))
With the increase in activity, and a few new gangs running about, there's potential for more storylines for other members. (Remember, not all people will have IC cause to start a gang, but perhaps will have reason to join one.)
That's just my suggestion.
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Post by Director Troutman on Jun 26, 2007 20:47:11 GMT 1
Personally I don't feel the need for the post count anymore. However, the request to approve the gang needs to be kept for the very same reason.
In order to strike a happy medium, we should be able to reward the better among the RPers, those who progress a storyline with good results and who develop their character (if they so wish to do so) with the right to apply for a gang when they see fit. Those who do not meet requirement, frankly, just get their request denied and told what they need to do before they can apply again.
Like Kira said, not all that many folk will want to start a gang, it might be worth a trial run.
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Post by Leon Loire on Jun 27, 2007 4:38:06 GMT 1
Yes, Gang reformations have been brought up in the past, but we've never come up with a legitimate way to make those reformations. And those details were regarding NPC count; this has to do with a member attempting to start a Gang.
I admit, having a new Gang stated could help motivate other people to roleplay again, after all, it seems everyone's starting to feel stagnant - and I'm not innocent from that. Perhaps having a new Gang would help start a fresh course.
But Kurtz has a point; you only have thirteen posts August. While it is possible you understand all the details of recent events, you haven't been able to prove yourself too much, and even then, I can't just blankly allow a potential Gang if we have no idea what you stand for.
But still, I see no reason why we need to keep the 500 post limit anymore. After all, literally no one has started a fresh gang since the old board, and even then, you'd still need to gain approval by Liam himself, and he'll base it all on his personal opinion, no matter if you have 500 posts or not.
I agree with Liam; let August have his attempt at getting a Gang approved. But just to throw it out there, you should at least post a good deal more, and get more of your storyline out, before you consider starting a Gang. Like you said, it wouldn't really work to start a Gang without some relevance to it.
So let him have his trial run. I think it'll help.
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August Velway
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Post by August Velway on Jun 27, 2007 4:55:07 GMT 1
I expected the post count thing, so I can agree with that. But still, just because I'm at 13 posts doesn't mean I don't understand what's going on here. I had a character on this board and the old board, and I've been around long enough to catch notice of the various groups flying around, and I highly doubt Stern's group, Leon's group, Taiku's group, Kvist's group, the Pillars, or even the Principal have use or capability to try and tame guys like my character: rogues, and people who don't really give a shit about the System or fighting it.
If you need me to spend some more time posting, then I can do that. I only asked this early because I was getting frustrated; four of my five threads are practically dead now, what with Robert and Shang Lao ditchng the boards out of no where. It doesn't help things that my only active thread is a fight I'm not involved in. So I'll need to join some other threads, but since everyone seems stagnant as well, it's kind of hard to pull that off, you know?
I'll make sure to work on posting more as best I can, and when I feel ready, I'll post a Gang Bio in the section. It'll be all up to you to approve or disapprove then.
Thank you for the time folks.
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Post by jdmthe1st on Jun 30, 2007 21:12:26 GMT 1
Anti-social characters are going to have trouble getting posts. But trying to be anti-socal and being anti-social are two different things. Trying to be anti-social, you are going to have a VERY difficult time getting posts. Social characters are the best characters for getting posts because they will jump into anything with open arms.
As for gangs, if I ever had one, I would be sad.
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Kyousuke
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Post by Kyousuke on Jun 30, 2007 21:15:40 GMT 1
Anti-social characters are going to have trouble getting posts. But trying to be anti-socal and being anti-social are two different things. Trying to be anti-social, you are going to have a VERY difficult time getting posts. Social characters are the best characters for getting posts because they will jump into anything with open arms. As for gangs, if I ever had one, I would be sad. I don't agree with your logic entirely. It would be easier to have someone who can befriend anyone. But that doesn't mean it's difficult to be anti-social either. And.. why would you be sad? If you don't want a gang, don't make one? As for the original thread point. I do agree that you need more of a post count, and that you'd not do bad since your charecter is something of an outlaw type. But there's a problem. How many people on the board are willing to actually join a gang to break the law? Hircine students probably won't. And most of the Varron's already have gangs.
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Post by jdmthe1st on Jun 30, 2007 21:26:51 GMT 1
I don't agree with your logic entirely. It would be easier to have someone who can befriend anyone. But that doesn't mean it's difficult to be anti-social either. And.. why would you be sad? If you don't want a gang, don't make one? As for the original thread point. I do agree that you need more of a post count, and that you'd not do bad since your charecter is something of an outlaw type. But there's a problem. How many people on the board are willing to actually join a gang to break the law? Hircine students probably won't. And most of the Varron's already have gangs. Never mind. I wasn't trying to make a statement, it was just an opinion.
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August Velway
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Post by August Velway on Jun 30, 2007 21:28:45 GMT 1
Antonio... may I ask why you just randomly started talking about being social or anti-social? That is completely off subject here. This is about a Gang, not which method is best to getting to know people.
My character isn't anti-social, he's merely a "rogue" against society. There's a significant difference in this case.
And Kyo, I'm not going to cover the details on my Gang idea yet, but I will point out that we're not going to merely be a bunch of thugs and criminals. We'll only be breaking laws if it suits our needs, and we'll only resist authority when it brings itself upon us. That said, I would only like to point out that we are extremely different from the Varron-originated boards. Amongst them, you have the Legion as an "Anti-Gang" group, the Watchmen that are practically non-Pillar Police, Warhen's underground Syndicate, and then the almighty "Evil" Hand of Fate. None of these groups are even really gangs by definition. They're just organized groups.
Hence, I feel I'll do pretty well in bringing people together under this gang's banner. I've already spoken with a few people, and have been eying one or more around the board. So I feel it's a very good chance that I'll succeed, if the Admins approve of my gang once I have their requested posts.
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Kyousuke
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Post by Kyousuke on Jun 30, 2007 21:32:10 GMT 1
Ah I see. I stand corrected. I wish you luck, and I will make sure I screw with your gang as much as possible, considering my character's personality.. >)
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August Velway
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Post by August Velway on Jun 30, 2007 21:42:49 GMT 1
Well, I thank you for that, and hope to be roleplaying with you soon enough. After all, a gang isn't good fun without the classic conflict, eh?
But thank you for making the point, it was necessary. But other than that, I think the point's across, so we should leave this be for the thread to die. It's point is across now.
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Post by jdmthe1st on Jun 30, 2007 21:45:34 GMT 1
I wish you the best as well pal.
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Post by Director Troutman on Jul 1, 2007 19:13:27 GMT 1
Considering gangs are less inclined towards numbers now and far more toward their strategic aims, I see no reason to deny you the opportunity. However, I wish to see at least a rudimentary gang bio sheet laid out along with some damned good posting over the next week before I give the thumbs up, alright?
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